Everyone at this point understands Donald Trump’s war with Iran is a debacle. The nearly two-thirds of Americans who think the United States didn’t win the war understand it. Trump himself, spinning and lashing out as he tries to get out of it, seems to understand it. And the clown car of war hawks who have been whining and moaning about the deal he’s struck to make this exit understand it.

The war failed at its goal of regime change, instead keeping the regime in place with new, more hard-line leadership. The economically vital Strait of Hormuz, open for all the decades before this, has been shut for months and is now under active Iranian control for the foreseeable future. Iran’s military capability has not been nearly as degraded as the White House claims and is being reconstituted faster than US officials expected. Iran still has its nuclear material, and it is extremely unlikely the US military will or even can extract it by force. Meanwhile, US military assets and munition stockpiles have been destroyed and heavily depleted.

It’s a pretty sorry state of affairs, especially for the aforementioned clown car of pro-war pundits who had relentlessly, confidently talked the country — and in some cases, the president — into war by asserting that we would get, or even are getting, the polar opposite of all of these outcomes. Not humbled by being embarrassingly wrong about all of it, they’re now still trying to give advice to the president they duped and push him back into war. Here are eight of the wrongest.