Two years ago, the Baltimore Uprising exploded following the police murder of Freddie Gray. Since then, Black Lives Matter has become a major political force in the United States, developing an economic and political platform and continuing to pressure local governments and the justice department to reform racist police forces.

In this episode of Jacobin Radio’s The Dig, Daniel Denvir sat down with Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, professor of African American studies at Princeton and the author of From Black Lives Matter to Black Liberation, to talk about racism in the twenty-first century — what it is, what it isn’t, how to fight it, and how not to.

This transcript has been edited. You can listen to the full interview here.