When US workers try to unionize, roughly a third of their employers engage in retaliatory firings. A union organizer today has a one-in-five to one-in-seven chance of losing their job while trying to secure the ability to bargain collectively.

Last month, the Office and Professional Employees International Union Local 153 filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that’s what happened to Taylor Moore and two of his coworkers when they tried to start a union at the crowdfunding tech company Kickstarter.

Jacobin’s Meagan Day spoke to Moore about why workers wanted to unionize Kickstarter in the first place (the conflict began in earnest with management capitulation to alt-right pressure), what happened in the process (classic union-busting tactics), and whether it was all worth it (it was).