For many in the United States, September has brought home the visceral consequences of climate change. First Hurricane Harvey devastated Houston, TX, bringing us images of stranded elders awaiting rescue in waist-high water. Then, Hurricane Irma, which was a Category 5 storm for around three days — nearly a record — hit Florida, where residents had to weigh evacuating against getting fired from their job. Any scientist will be loath to confirm a direct correlation between the storms and global warming. But we do know that it’s likely we’ll see more, and stronger, of such storms. And their impact will continue to be unequal, with the poorest slammed with the worst consequences of a warmer earth.

To discuss this and more, Daniel Denvir, host of the Jacobin podcast The Dig, spoke with Kate Aronoff, a writing fellow at In These Times covering climate and American politics. She’s also a contributor to “Earth, Wind, & Fire,” our most recent issue, which covers the ecological crisis. You can listen to the interview here.